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		<title>By: Kimba</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/05/06/could-somebody-tell-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10130</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Un, um--that&#039;s mostly Greek to me (as it were), but your response to knitting reminds me of what you once said to me about &quot;that stupid internet thing&quot; (or something very much to that effect)--in other words, I think we&#039;ll make a knitter out of you yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Un, um&#8211;that&#8217;s mostly Greek to me (as it were), but your response to knitting reminds me of what you once said to me about &#8220;that stupid internet thing&#8221; (or something very much to that effect)&#8211;in other words, I think we&#8217;ll make a knitter out of you yet!</p>
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		<title>By: unreliable narrator</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/05/06/could-somebody-tell-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10068</link>
		<dc:creator>unreliable narrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh oooh, I know this one! Okay, well, the first part anyway. I&#039;m kind of sketchy on the whole sock thing. Since I still DO NOT UNDERSTAND how you people make woven cloth out of string and straight sticks WITH NO HOOKS ON THE ENDS. But anyway. Here&#039;s one possible answer to the why Aristotle/classifying question: You&#039;re becoming a literary deconstructionist!

Okay, sounds far-fetched I know. But then I read this in Sven Birkerts&#039; intro lit textbook, when I was looking for a quick-and-dirty definition for my students:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The whole point of deconstruction  is to reveal the slipperiness and instability of meanings in literary texts—indeed, in all human systems of discourse.

If it is true, argue the deconstructionists, that words [socks] are just arbitrary markers, each made distinct by its visual and phonic difference from all others, then it stands to reason that all words are in a sense equal. But what we find in all human communications is an implicit privileging of certain terms and values and, in the last analysis, ideologies. [tiresomely explains what ideologies are]

The deconstructionists assume that these ideologies are often concealed in a text. The critic&#039;s job is not simply to unfold the patterns and oppositions as a structuralist would, but to go further. The privileged terms or assumptions, such a critic might reason, exist at the expense of their opposites. [extended slighting and inaccurate description of what deconstructionism doesn&#039;t do: &quot;is not so much a theory that asserts something as it is a set of intricate maneuvers for taking a text apart&quot;]

[Signal bit:] To get just a taste of how the deconstructionist might think about a problem, consider the well-known [!] flip of the causality argument. If a pin pricks the flesh, we customarily say that the pin (A) is the cause of the pain (B). The deconstructionist might assert, on the contrary, that the dominant rule of all causal sequences is that the cause precedes the effect. In this case, it is the pain (B) that made the person aware of the pin (A). Logically, then, the pain can be seen as the cause, the pin the effect. And with this tricky wedge, the critic could begin to wage assault [!] upon the ironclad assumptions of causal reasoning. Here again, however, the summary presentation must belie the complexity of the procedure. The student who is interested in learning more about how to apply this controversial and challenging discipline should refer to some of the works below. [Culler, de Saussure, Eagleton, de Man, Derrida, et al.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay, now scrambling for brain-fragments to try to remember why I&#039;ve been saving that up and thought it was so apposite...and wow Sven sure seems annoying and deliberately thick-headed to me on this reading. (It also occurs to me VERY belatedly that possibly the strongest feminist reading of &lt;i&gt;The Road&lt;/i&gt; would be to ask why the text has to kill off the mother.) But I&#039;m no longer certain...I think it had something to do with Aristotle, though, and his kinds of causality, which is from...what, De Anima? No, surely the Metaphysics. And that this deconstructionist attempt to flip the causality is merely what Aristotle called the final cause, or maybe the efficient cause; and really isn&#039;t as outlandishly wild and woolly as Sven is trying to make it sound.

Okay, I am sounding dumber and dumber so I&#039;m going to stop while I&#039;m behind. But if I ever write a poem again I&#039;m totally calling it...that&#039;s right! &quot;Extremely Contextual Socks.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh oooh, I know this one! Okay, well, the first part anyway. I&#8217;m kind of sketchy on the whole sock thing. Since I still DO NOT UNDERSTAND how you people make woven cloth out of string and straight sticks WITH NO HOOKS ON THE ENDS. But anyway. Here&#8217;s one possible answer to the why Aristotle/classifying question: You&#8217;re becoming a literary deconstructionist!</p>
<p>Okay, sounds far-fetched I know. But then I read this in Sven Birkerts&#8217; intro lit textbook, when I was looking for a quick-and-dirty definition for my students:</p>
<blockquote><p>The whole point of deconstruction  is to reveal the slipperiness and instability of meanings in literary texts—indeed, in all human systems of discourse.</p>
<p>If it is true, argue the deconstructionists, that words [socks] are just arbitrary markers, each made distinct by its visual and phonic difference from all others, then it stands to reason that all words are in a sense equal. But what we find in all human communications is an implicit privileging of certain terms and values and, in the last analysis, ideologies. [tiresomely explains what ideologies are]</p>
<p>The deconstructionists assume that these ideologies are often concealed in a text. The critic&#8217;s job is not simply to unfold the patterns and oppositions as a structuralist would, but to go further. The privileged terms or assumptions, such a critic might reason, exist at the expense of their opposites. [extended slighting and inaccurate description of what deconstructionism doesn't do: "is not so much a theory that asserts something as it is a set of intricate maneuvers for taking a text apart"]</p>
<p>[Signal bit:] To get just a taste of how the deconstructionist might think about a problem, consider the well-known [!] flip of the causality argument. If a pin pricks the flesh, we customarily say that the pin (A) is the cause of the pain (B). The deconstructionist might assert, on the contrary, that the dominant rule of all causal sequences is that the cause precedes the effect. In this case, it is the pain (B) that made the person aware of the pin (A). Logically, then, the pain can be seen as the cause, the pin the effect. And with this tricky wedge, the critic could begin to wage assault [!] upon the ironclad assumptions of causal reasoning. Here again, however, the summary presentation must belie the complexity of the procedure. The student who is interested in learning more about how to apply this controversial and challenging discipline should refer to some of the works below. [Culler, de Saussure, Eagleton, de Man, Derrida, et al.]</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, now scrambling for brain-fragments to try to remember why I&#8217;ve been saving that up and thought it was so apposite&#8230;and wow Sven sure seems annoying and deliberately thick-headed to me on this reading. (It also occurs to me VERY belatedly that possibly the strongest feminist reading of <i>The Road</i> would be to ask why the text has to kill off the mother.) But I&#8217;m no longer certain&#8230;I think it had something to do with Aristotle, though, and his kinds of causality, which is from&#8230;what, De Anima? No, surely the Metaphysics. And that this deconstructionist attempt to flip the causality is merely what Aristotle called the final cause, or maybe the efficient cause; and really isn&#8217;t as outlandishly wild and woolly as Sven is trying to make it sound.</p>
<p>Okay, I am sounding dumber and dumber so I&#8217;m going to stop while I&#8217;m behind. But if I ever write a poem again I&#8217;m totally calling it&#8230;that&#8217;s right! &#8220;Extremely Contextual Socks.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(What I thought about writing a few days ago)

You had me goin&#039; there for a minute. &quot;Her grandfather &lt;em&gt;knitted?&quot; Thank you Kimba  for teasing that out before I stuck my foot in it. 

I love it that you can imagine a grandfather who would not only know who Kate Winslet is but notice her socks and then knit you a pair. That is awesome. 

A recent visit with my own dear father reminds me that not all of us do the opposite thing with people. He&#039;s perfectly oblivious to the twenty people waiting behind him in line while he teases stories and personal histories from the checkout girl and whomever else he happens to come into contact with. It&#039;s one of those characteristics that I both adore and abhor, depending on my mood. This visit it was endearing. 

Yes, extremely contextual socks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(What I thought about writing a few days ago)</p>
<p>You had me goin&#8217; there for a minute. &#8220;Her grandfather <em>knitted?&#8221; Thank you Kimba  for teasing that out before I stuck my foot in it. </p>
<p>I love it that you can imagine a grandfather who would not only know who Kate Winslet is but notice her socks and then knit you a pair. That is awesome. </p>
<p>A recent visit with my own dear father reminds me that not all of us do the opposite thing with people. He&#8217;s perfectly oblivious to the twenty people waiting behind him in line while he teases stories and personal histories from the checkout girl and whomever else he happens to come into contact with. It&#8217;s one of those characteristics that I both adore and abhor, depending on my mood. This visit it was endearing. </p>
<p>Yes, extremely contextual socks.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kimba</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/05/06/could-somebody-tell-me/comment-page-1/#comment-9644</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sorry, I seem to think in bullet points lately.)

-I think this may have something to do with why I chose a job where I get to hear people&#039;s stories for a living. (Well, among other things, but that&#039;s the cool part.)

-Thank you.  We pretty much adore her.  I hope she (and I!) get to meet you someday.

-I did wonder a little about those extemely contextual socks...but was also struck by the image of a knitting grandfather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sorry, I seem to think in bullet points lately.)</p>
<p>-I think this may have something to do with why I chose a job where I get to hear people&#8217;s stories for a living. (Well, among other things, but that&#8217;s the cool part.)</p>
<p>-Thank you.  We pretty much adore her.  I hope she (and I!) get to meet you someday.</p>
<p>-I did wonder a little about those extemely contextual socks&#8230;but was also struck by the image of a knitting grandfather.</p>
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		<title>By: Mara Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- It&#039;s like there are economies of attention, which are zero-sum, whether I like it or not, and all I can think is that it is sort of tragic, but makes the stories we do get more meaningful.

- You have the coolest, least solipsistic 4 y.o. Your stories about her blow me away and I hope I get to meet her someday.

- Both of my grandfathers are dead and I cannot picture either of them knitting, though my mother&#039;s father whittled approximate three small wooden animals a week for years resulting in all of his grandchildren having nice collections of them, but I was being sort of silly for the sake of examples. It was, um, blogging license? On the other hand, my dad did knit, even though he no longer does and my mother started when I did (and in fact sent me socks that are very lovely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- It&#8217;s like there are economies of attention, which are zero-sum, whether I like it or not, and all I can think is that it is sort of tragic, but makes the stories we do get more meaningful.</p>
<p>- You have the coolest, least solipsistic 4 y.o. Your stories about her blow me away and I hope I get to meet her someday.</p>
<p>- Both of my grandfathers are dead and I cannot picture either of them knitting, though my mother&#8217;s father whittled approximate three small wooden animals a week for years resulting in all of his grandchildren having nice collections of them, but I was being sort of silly for the sake of examples. It was, um, blogging license? On the other hand, my dad did knit, even though he no longer does and my mother started when I did (and in fact sent me socks that are very lovely).</p>
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		<title>By: Kimba</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/05/06/could-somebody-tell-me/comment-page-1/#comment-9630</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-Re: people wandering through our lives with stories worthy of contemplation which are lost to functionality--omg, yes!

-My 4 y.o. asked me this morning if I had ever lived in any other house than our current one, and listened while I told her about some of the others, and I am grateful for this context to put that in.

-Your grandfather knits socks? How cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-Re: people wandering through our lives with stories worthy of contemplation which are lost to functionality&#8211;omg, yes!</p>
<p>-My 4 y.o. asked me this morning if I had ever lived in any other house than our current one, and listened while I told her about some of the others, and I am grateful for this context to put that in.</p>
<p>-Your grandfather knits socks? How cool.</p>
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