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		<title>By: unreliable narrator</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/03/05/uncomfortable-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-5828</link>
		<dc:creator>unreliable narrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus maybe God DOES talk to me through ice cream, only I am so busy with the ice cream I forget to notice. Whereas snot is less distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus maybe God DOES talk to me through ice cream, only I am so busy with the ice cream I forget to notice. Whereas snot is less distracting.</p>
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		<title>By: unreliable narrator</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/03/05/uncomfortable-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-5827</link>
		<dc:creator>unreliable narrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then the funny thing about THAT is that, in zendos anyway, you don&#039;t get any extra attention. If anything you&#039;re left alone MORE, because everyone can see you&#039;re caught up in your process and need space (but I don&#039;t want space!), need a tightly sealed container (no I don&#039;t!) in which to watch it unband and dissolve of itself.

So then the tearful snotty kind (where you put about twenty tissues in your robe sleeve that morning because you know you&#039;ll have used &#039;em all by lunch) (or, in your case, no-lunch) just must be just what it is. Anzan saying to me gently, &quot;You&#039;ll do it until you&#039;re done,&quot; and me wanting to hit him, only not. Because he was being nice and offering me another tissue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then the funny thing about THAT is that, in zendos anyway, you don&#8217;t get any extra attention. If anything you&#8217;re left alone MORE, because everyone can see you&#8217;re caught up in your process and need space (but I don&#8217;t want space!), need a tightly sealed container (no I don&#8217;t!) in which to watch it unband and dissolve of itself.</p>
<p>So then the tearful snotty kind (where you put about twenty tissues in your robe sleeve that morning because you know you&#8217;ll have used &#8216;em all by lunch) (or, in your case, no-lunch) just must be just what it is. Anzan saying to me gently, &#8220;You&#8217;ll do it until you&#8217;re done,&#8221; and me wanting to hit him, only not. Because he was being nice and offering me another tissue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mara Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So -- &lt;em&gt;Eat Pray Love&lt;/em&gt; there&#039;s everyone around her meditating and looking serene in the Ashram, while she&#039;s rushing to the bathroom because she&#039;s crying again? I could take God talking to me through Ben and Jerry&#039;s and, you, know, the serene sort of spiritual insight, not the one that involves lots of nose-blowing. Plus, I always have to wonder, what if I have the big public, tearful kind because I am secretly unable to function without the attention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8212; <em>Eat Pray Love</em> there&#8217;s everyone around her meditating and looking serene in the Ashram, while she&#8217;s rushing to the bathroom because she&#8217;s crying again? I could take God talking to me through Ben and Jerry&#8217;s and, you, know, the serene sort of spiritual insight, not the one that involves lots of nose-blowing. Plus, I always have to wonder, what if I have the big public, tearful kind because I am secretly unable to function without the attention?</p>
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		<title>By: unreliable narrator</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/03/05/uncomfortable-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-5795</link>
		<dc:creator>unreliable narrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well and also: That the super-tricky part about this in particular seems to be that it&#039;s a householder practice: You&#039;re doing it AND all the normal stuff at the same time, whereas on a retreat you&#039;re, well, in retreat, and don&#039;t have to also help with homework etc. That makes it so much more the braver and fiercer, that you&#039;re doing it at all. And requires concomitantly extra helpings of gentle observing and describing, presumably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well and also: That the super-tricky part about this in particular seems to be that it&#8217;s a householder practice: You&#8217;re doing it AND all the normal stuff at the same time, whereas on a retreat you&#8217;re, well, in retreat, and don&#8217;t have to also help with homework etc. That makes it so much more the braver and fiercer, that you&#8217;re doing it at all. And requires concomitantly extra helpings of gentle observing and describing, presumably.</p>
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		<title>By: unreliable narrator</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/03/05/uncomfortable-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-5794</link>
		<dc:creator>unreliable narrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just dumb and obvious if I say, it sounds like it&#039;s all happening exactly the way it&#039;s supposed to? Which I think you say at the end anyway? That this chosen privation is bringing you right to your leading edge of discomfort and learning (awful, horrible, unwanted) information about how you normally cope/process/control the flow of the world around you and you through it?

Like how Mandarin and I, instead of saying to each other, &quot;Have a good sesshin!&quot; would finally always just say, before one or the other of us went into that particular 5-9 day-long testing ground/knife room, &quot;Have a sesshin.&quot; Because really it has YOU. And when preferential mind gets yanked out from under you like the cozy rug it is (what, I can&#039;t just go to the fridge any time I feel my blood sugar dropping?), the gaping truths arrive. They sit on the sofa staring at you and unable to make civil conversation, like weird next-door neighbors who dropped in and won&#039;t go home.

Taking away preferential mind (the Zen phrase) is all about practicing the powerlessness. Herself telling us that it was practice for dying. And for living. Because the control strategy is illusory anyway, of course. Because as Winston says in &lt;i&gt;1984&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;In the face of pain there are no heroes.&quot;

The Brujo sometimes scoffs when I tell him stories of deliberate privation/restriction/abstinence, because I think he hears in them only my self-punishing desire, which is true—which was true for me, in how I did it. That whole &quot;I brought my Calvinism to Zen&quot; thing. But I did also learn somehow gentleness in the matrix of restraint (though not from Zen qua Zen, but from other people—from sangha, I guess, the group of others who walks the path with you). I don&#039;t know that he understands that—that anyone can, who hasn&#039;t delicately but firmly taken away their espresso and bonbons and remote control, and their talking and their moving around, and said: Well, okay, let&#039;s see, just experimentally, what happens to this whole carefully constructed Me-person now, without all the stuff I usually use to hold up the scaffolding.

With, of course, great inner gentleness and a powerful sense of the self-loving voice. Of the internalized good parent—of the Goddess, frankly.

En bref (!): You are doing the thing. I am moved by your doing it, and by your telling what it is like. I found it to be like that too. And I wish you joy in the frailty, relief in the letting-go, and beauty in the breakdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just dumb and obvious if I say, it sounds like it&#8217;s all happening exactly the way it&#8217;s supposed to? Which I think you say at the end anyway? That this chosen privation is bringing you right to your leading edge of discomfort and learning (awful, horrible, unwanted) information about how you normally cope/process/control the flow of the world around you and you through it?</p>
<p>Like how Mandarin and I, instead of saying to each other, &#8220;Have a good sesshin!&#8221; would finally always just say, before one or the other of us went into that particular 5-9 day-long testing ground/knife room, &#8220;Have a sesshin.&#8221; Because really it has YOU. And when preferential mind gets yanked out from under you like the cozy rug it is (what, I can&#8217;t just go to the fridge any time I feel my blood sugar dropping?), the gaping truths arrive. They sit on the sofa staring at you and unable to make civil conversation, like weird next-door neighbors who dropped in and won&#8217;t go home.</p>
<p>Taking away preferential mind (the Zen phrase) is all about practicing the powerlessness. Herself telling us that it was practice for dying. And for living. Because the control strategy is illusory anyway, of course. Because as Winston says in <i>1984</i>, &#8220;In the face of pain there are no heroes.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Brujo sometimes scoffs when I tell him stories of deliberate privation/restriction/abstinence, because I think he hears in them only my self-punishing desire, which is true—which was true for me, in how I did it. That whole &#8220;I brought my Calvinism to Zen&#8221; thing. But I did also learn somehow gentleness in the matrix of restraint (though not from Zen qua Zen, but from other people—from sangha, I guess, the group of others who walks the path with you). I don&#8217;t know that he understands that—that anyone can, who hasn&#8217;t delicately but firmly taken away their espresso and bonbons and remote control, and their talking and their moving around, and said: Well, okay, let&#8217;s see, just experimentally, what happens to this whole carefully constructed Me-person now, without all the stuff I usually use to hold up the scaffolding.</p>
<p>With, of course, great inner gentleness and a powerful sense of the self-loving voice. Of the internalized good parent—of the Goddess, frankly.</p>
<p>En bref (!): You are doing the thing. I am moved by your doing it, and by your telling what it is like. I found it to be like that too. And I wish you joy in the frailty, relief in the letting-go, and beauty in the breakdown.</p>
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		<title>By: jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thief! Thief! That was &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; comment, not his!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thief! Thief! That was <em>my</em> comment, not his!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about this post every day since you first wrote it. How is it that I never understood the powerlessness aspect of fasting until now? No wonder it&#039;s such a rich spiritual practice. And hey, why is it that God likes us all week and powerless in the first place? Why can&#039;t God talk to us through, say, Ben &amp; Jerry&#039;s ice cream and espresso truffles?

Brilliant, how you worked carapace in like that. Have you found any crenels in your merlons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about this post every day since you first wrote it. How is it that I never understood the powerlessness aspect of fasting until now? No wonder it&#8217;s such a rich spiritual practice. And hey, why is it that God likes us all week and powerless in the first place? Why can&#8217;t God talk to us through, say, Ben &amp; Jerry&#8217;s ice cream and espresso truffles?</p>
<p>Brilliant, how you worked carapace in like that. Have you found any crenels in your merlons?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/03/05/uncomfortable-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-5702</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think It might be time to rent Cool Hand Luke, It says everything I want to say here, only better</description>
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		<title>By: lara</title>
		<link>http://www.oleoptene.com/2009/03/05/uncomfortable-insight/comment-page-1/#comment-5696</link>
		<dc:creator>lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 07:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely post, Mara. I don&#039;t know many people who can write about the very personal experience of fasting...</description>
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